Beauty and the Beast didn't happen, and now it never will. That's all I want to say about that.
I finished The Hero Of Ages! The end was...unprecedentedly amazing. If you have any interest in a great fantasy novel, I wholeheartedly recommend it.
If you haven't noticed, I have a distinct interest in Speculative Fiction, and I've found a couple of really neat blogs with a ton of information on the subject.
Atsiko's Chimney is one I stumbled across a couple of days ago while looking for tips on how to write magic systems, and I found that is has some really good advice, getting down to some of the nitty gritty behind magic systems and how they are put together.
Flights Of Fantasy is a rather neat blog that's more about the writing process in general, with tips on general things like characters, little things like what kind of functions different animals can have in fantasy, or things beyond the writing process itself, like publishing.
I recommend both if you have any interest in getting writing tips.
1/13/10
Absolutely Brilliant
Sometimes you have those days when you don't want to do, you want to simply enjoy. Today's one of those.
Okay, but I just have to ramble about how much I adore the book I'm reading right now. It's called The Hero of Ages, and is the last in Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy. I've loved just about every bit of these books, the characters are so real, the world is intricately crafted, from its cities to to its trio of magic systems which are just about my favorite part. The plot takes most fantasy tropes and turns them upside and inside out...and that's when you find out the sky is backwards. Now you think, "how can the sky be backwards?" EXACTLY
The one gripe I have with these books (well, the first one) is that I felt that the main romance was a tad forced or overdone. But that was before I saw the depth to it later on. The big problem was that the street kid with access to awesome mystical power masquerading as a noble falls for the unsatisfied aristocratic heir. Sound familiar at all?
But I do heartily recommend this book. I think I have a contender for my new favorite book series, just let me finish the book before I make any final judgments.
Okay, but I just have to ramble about how much I adore the book I'm reading right now. It's called The Hero of Ages, and is the last in Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy. I've loved just about every bit of these books, the characters are so real, the world is intricately crafted, from its cities to to its trio of magic systems which are just about my favorite part. The plot takes most fantasy tropes and turns them upside and inside out...and that's when you find out the sky is backwards. Now you think, "how can the sky be backwards?" EXACTLY
The one gripe I have with these books (well, the first one) is that I felt that the main romance was a tad forced or overdone. But that was before I saw the depth to it later on. The big problem was that the street kid with access to awesome mystical power masquerading as a noble falls for the unsatisfied aristocratic heir. Sound familiar at all?
But I do heartily recommend this book. I think I have a contender for my new favorite book series, just let me finish the book before I make any final judgments.
1/9/10
Slow Down, Man!
A whole lot of things have happened since my last post. (I do admit I lied about doing another post that day, sorry) And I just wanted to skim over some of them.
Christmas! I got a few rather nice things, including the soundtracks to Wicked, Dr. Horrible's Sing-a-long Blog, The Phantom of the Opera, and The Scarlet Pimpernel!
It's 2010! Woot! A brand new year, nay, decade!
Things get crazy for me, being the choir librarian, since it's Solo and Ensemble Competition season, and now everyone's looking for music.
I discovered an amazing book trilogy called Mistborn at the recommendation of a friend. IT'S REALLY GOOD GO READ IT.
Beauty and the Beast premieres on Wednesday and we're totally not ready! AUGH!
Once again, Joss Whedon has ruined my life. (go to the last ten minutes or so and you'll see what I mean)
The end of Doctor Who was simply spectacular. Thanks for everything, David!
Lots of stuff goin' down right now. So...yeah.
Christmas! I got a few rather nice things, including the soundtracks to Wicked, Dr. Horrible's Sing-a-long Blog, The Phantom of the Opera, and The Scarlet Pimpernel!
It's 2010! Woot! A brand new year, nay, decade!
Things get crazy for me, being the choir librarian, since it's Solo and Ensemble Competition season, and now everyone's looking for music.
I discovered an amazing book trilogy called Mistborn at the recommendation of a friend. IT'S REALLY GOOD GO READ IT.
Beauty and the Beast premieres on Wednesday and we're totally not ready! AUGH!
Once again, Joss Whedon has ruined my life. (go to the last ten minutes or so and you'll see what I mean)
The end of Doctor Who was simply spectacular. Thanks for everything, David!
Lots of stuff goin' down right now. So...yeah.
12/30/09
Particular Ramblings
From time to time I like to have a post about a single topic, but I also like my schizophrenic style of topic changing that is the norm for me. So, I've decided to double up and do a particular topic first, then (maybe) do a normal post.
First, a topic I've been looking up quite a bit of recently. Speculative Fiction, aka Sci Fi/Fantasy.
Now, these two genres are often at odds due to their obviously different philosophies regarding realism. However, the two sides tend to categorize things in similar fashions.
Firstly, on the Sci Fi end of the spectrum, things are organized according to their coordination with known scientific theory, referred to as "hardness" with the soft end representing Comic Book Science, and the hard end has everything being technically possible. This side is considered the "Serious Science Fiction".
On the other hand, you have Fantasy. (Note: the previous link goes to the blog of Brandon Sanderson, author of the Mistborn Trilogy, which is amazing. The specified entry has information on the topic I'm currently addressing, but in the form of his own thoughts on the matter. I do tend to agree with him, though I like to expand a bit on the material I'm handed.) Which is sort of the other way, with more scientifically organized types of magic falling on the Hard end, and more ethereal, vague, and mystical type of magic in the Soft, which is considered the more traditional type of Fantasy literature.
These two systems are often thought of as distinct, but actually have more in common than one might originally suppose. My belief is that these two can be placed end to end, SF Soft meeting Fantasy Hard, to form a rather interesting gradient. One might think that the hard ends might be the ones to have more in common, which would be one line of reasoning, but Hard Fantasy (i.e., Mistborn) has more in common with Comic Book Science than the stuff on the Hard SF side of things.
Both CBS and HF rely heavily on the concept of "it just does" when asked to explain why things work the way they do in their stories, but have a pretty specific answer on the side how it works. Ask why a radioactive spider altered a man's DNA, and your source will be left at a loss, but ask what effects it has on him and you can get a whole list of the special abilities derived from such an incident. Compared to it's fantasy counterpart, which, rather than stammering for a why, can simply reply that it works by magic. Or that, perhaps, A Wizard Did It? The same list of effects can be procured as well. The majority of differences between a Jedi and, say, a Mistborn, is in the setting and style.
Now, this on its own forms a rather neat connection between the two genres, but I'm not done yet.
There is one thing that most fantasy fans tend to misunderstand when it comes to their genre. They believe that the Harder it is, the closer it is to reality, but, in reality (or fictional reality, as the case may be) it's the other way. At least, stylistically.
My point is this, IRL, there there is no magic, which is what makes fantasy fantasy, however, most fantasy fans consider HF's tendency toward scientific organization to be making it more realistic, which its not. Because of its organization, it becomes that much more prevalent in its culture, whereas magic becomes more scarce the softer the fantasy is. That's what we think, anyway.
In ancient myths from all across the world, anything that they didn't understand was called magical, simply because it was beyond their current grasp. Weather patterns, biology, chemical reactions, all were attributed to mystic forces before they were defined by scientific methods. This is the original fantasy, which has been warped as time goes on to become what we see today.
Look again at the scale which we've constructed by merging the two we had before. As you approach the far scientific end, you get more and more realistic, but on the other end, the fantasy end, the softer you get, the more real it becomes. When you reach either extreme, the setting becomes reality as we know it. Now we have a conundrum:
Why are these two considered mutually exclusive when they have so much in common?
The answer is in the way an author comes at it. A hard SF author is going to get down into the nitty gritty scientific details when they construct their world, where a soft fantasy author takes the opposite approach, the ancient way of saying that anything that can't be explained in easy terms is magic.
And in a way, both are right. Scientific explanations for everything take the magic out of life, but aren't the very effects of the explained phenomena still wondrous in their own right? A bird stays in the air, the rain falls anyway, your heart still beats. Yet these can be explained in their most basic forms through the efforts of human intellect, diligence, and ingenuity.
Beautiful.
But what to do with the scale? If you flip it around so that the SF and HS match up, you lose the congruence we had before. But what if we bend the scales? Stretch the ends til they mesh, become a single circle of fiction.
It has a rather nice symmetry to it, doesn't it?
First, a topic I've been looking up quite a bit of recently. Speculative Fiction, aka Sci Fi/Fantasy.
Now, these two genres are often at odds due to their obviously different philosophies regarding realism. However, the two sides tend to categorize things in similar fashions.
Firstly, on the Sci Fi end of the spectrum, things are organized according to their coordination with known scientific theory, referred to as "hardness" with the soft end representing Comic Book Science, and the hard end has everything being technically possible. This side is considered the "Serious Science Fiction".
On the other hand, you have Fantasy. (Note: the previous link goes to the blog of Brandon Sanderson, author of the Mistborn Trilogy, which is amazing. The specified entry has information on the topic I'm currently addressing, but in the form of his own thoughts on the matter. I do tend to agree with him, though I like to expand a bit on the material I'm handed.) Which is sort of the other way, with more scientifically organized types of magic falling on the Hard end, and more ethereal, vague, and mystical type of magic in the Soft, which is considered the more traditional type of Fantasy literature.
These two systems are often thought of as distinct, but actually have more in common than one might originally suppose. My belief is that these two can be placed end to end, SF Soft meeting Fantasy Hard, to form a rather interesting gradient. One might think that the hard ends might be the ones to have more in common, which would be one line of reasoning, but Hard Fantasy (i.e., Mistborn) has more in common with Comic Book Science than the stuff on the Hard SF side of things.
Both CBS and HF rely heavily on the concept of "it just does" when asked to explain why things work the way they do in their stories, but have a pretty specific answer on the side how it works. Ask why a radioactive spider altered a man's DNA, and your source will be left at a loss, but ask what effects it has on him and you can get a whole list of the special abilities derived from such an incident. Compared to it's fantasy counterpart, which, rather than stammering for a why, can simply reply that it works by magic. Or that, perhaps, A Wizard Did It? The same list of effects can be procured as well. The majority of differences between a Jedi and, say, a Mistborn, is in the setting and style.
Now, this on its own forms a rather neat connection between the two genres, but I'm not done yet.
There is one thing that most fantasy fans tend to misunderstand when it comes to their genre. They believe that the Harder it is, the closer it is to reality, but, in reality (or fictional reality, as the case may be) it's the other way. At least, stylistically.
My point is this, IRL, there there is no magic, which is what makes fantasy fantasy, however, most fantasy fans consider HF's tendency toward scientific organization to be making it more realistic, which its not. Because of its organization, it becomes that much more prevalent in its culture, whereas magic becomes more scarce the softer the fantasy is. That's what we think, anyway.
In ancient myths from all across the world, anything that they didn't understand was called magical, simply because it was beyond their current grasp. Weather patterns, biology, chemical reactions, all were attributed to mystic forces before they were defined by scientific methods. This is the original fantasy, which has been warped as time goes on to become what we see today.
Look again at the scale which we've constructed by merging the two we had before. As you approach the far scientific end, you get more and more realistic, but on the other end, the fantasy end, the softer you get, the more real it becomes. When you reach either extreme, the setting becomes reality as we know it. Now we have a conundrum:
Why are these two considered mutually exclusive when they have so much in common?
The answer is in the way an author comes at it. A hard SF author is going to get down into the nitty gritty scientific details when they construct their world, where a soft fantasy author takes the opposite approach, the ancient way of saying that anything that can't be explained in easy terms is magic.
And in a way, both are right. Scientific explanations for everything take the magic out of life, but aren't the very effects of the explained phenomena still wondrous in their own right? A bird stays in the air, the rain falls anyway, your heart still beats. Yet these can be explained in their most basic forms through the efforts of human intellect, diligence, and ingenuity.
Beautiful.
But what to do with the scale? If you flip it around so that the SF and HS match up, you lose the congruence we had before. But what if we bend the scales? Stretch the ends til they mesh, become a single circle of fiction.
It has a rather nice symmetry to it, doesn't it?
12/24/09
Bittersweet Holidays
I figured I should put up a Christmas post for anyone out there who watches this without leaving any sort of trace.
So it's Christmas Eve, and it's turned out to be a white one, despite my earnest hopes to the contrary. Oh, well, that's what I get for living...well, you don't need to know where.
The whole thing seems just a tad surreal after waiting for it for so long. Like when I saw Star Wars Episode 3 in the theater for the first time, but not quite as intense. The feeling has been following me around lately, maybe it's that this'll be my last Christmas as a minor. I just can't shake the dread of my childhood slipping through my fingers like the fine sand of an hourglass. I'm still not used to being a senior in High School, and I'll be turning eighteen in June. It's just such a weird concept, growing up.
We're doing ten minute, one act plays in my theatre class. My group is doing one called Labor Day, which is about such a concept, about how time seems to get away from us. About the denial of time's slow descent towards an encroaching doom to all that is innocent. I try my best to preserve my optimism, my joy at the very idea of life, but I sometimes feel like I'm fighting a battle I can't win.
*sigh*
I wonder what I'm getting.
Merry Christmas, everyone.
Here's a Batman picture:
So it's Christmas Eve, and it's turned out to be a white one, despite my earnest hopes to the contrary. Oh, well, that's what I get for living...well, you don't need to know where.
The whole thing seems just a tad surreal after waiting for it for so long. Like when I saw Star Wars Episode 3 in the theater for the first time, but not quite as intense. The feeling has been following me around lately, maybe it's that this'll be my last Christmas as a minor. I just can't shake the dread of my childhood slipping through my fingers like the fine sand of an hourglass. I'm still not used to being a senior in High School, and I'll be turning eighteen in June. It's just such a weird concept, growing up.
We're doing ten minute, one act plays in my theatre class. My group is doing one called Labor Day, which is about such a concept, about how time seems to get away from us. About the denial of time's slow descent towards an encroaching doom to all that is innocent. I try my best to preserve my optimism, my joy at the very idea of life, but I sometimes feel like I'm fighting a battle I can't win.
*sigh*
I wonder what I'm getting.
Merry Christmas, everyone.
Here's a Batman picture:
12/16/09
Everything is so NEW!
Listening To: The Point of No Return, The Phantom of The Opera Movie Soundtrack
Holiday Engine: Revved
Mood: Content
We're almost through our December performances in choir! *hallelujah!*
Our last performance is on Saturday, but before that we have our major winter concert tomorrow, and a major day full of shows on Friday.
The finish line is in sight.
On the recommendation of a friend, I've started reading Mistborn, and I gotta say, it's fantastic. I'm only about a third of the way through the first book, and I'm really enjoying it. It's just the kind of book I like, with interesting characters, clever magic system and elaborate world setup. It has great action scenes, and I've been told that I haven't seen anything yet.
Very exciting.
I played Racquetball for the first time tonight with my youth group. An interesting experience, and definitely something I'd be willing to repeat. Though it's all about the people you're playing with. Being the physically inept guy that I am, having a bunch of guys who are very forgiving of your shortcomings is very helpful.
Chick-Fil-A. First time today, and I found it very satisfying. Great chicken... And that's all I have to say about it. Really.
I've been to read more fan fics lately, and, being cautious and going through TV Tropes for my recommendations, I think I've found some real gems. Very good stuff. I found Morphic, a rather dark pokemon fic about half-breeds between pokemon and humans, to be excellent, and, while there is quite a bit of foul language, most of it is fairly deserved. But, as a warning, it touches on a few very sensitive topics, including religion, abortion, and death, but handles them quite realistically and maturely in my opinion.
I finished my 10K word story challenge, and was fairly pleased with the result. I got a 195 out of 200, which I'm very excited about. Now, I didn't finish the story, but I think I left it hanging on a rather nice cliffhanger. I started the story off with the mindset of a superhero story about a citizen of a city whose entire population has superpowers. But where my plot took me follows more of the style of an action thriller, but with the same superpower twist. I think it turned out rather well.
Holiday Engine: Revved
Mood: Content
We're almost through our December performances in choir! *hallelujah!*
Our last performance is on Saturday, but before that we have our major winter concert tomorrow, and a major day full of shows on Friday.
The finish line is in sight.
On the recommendation of a friend, I've started reading Mistborn, and I gotta say, it's fantastic. I'm only about a third of the way through the first book, and I'm really enjoying it. It's just the kind of book I like, with interesting characters, clever magic system and elaborate world setup. It has great action scenes, and I've been told that I haven't seen anything yet.
Very exciting.
I played Racquetball for the first time tonight with my youth group. An interesting experience, and definitely something I'd be willing to repeat. Though it's all about the people you're playing with. Being the physically inept guy that I am, having a bunch of guys who are very forgiving of your shortcomings is very helpful.
Chick-Fil-A. First time today, and I found it very satisfying. Great chicken... And that's all I have to say about it. Really.
I've been to read more fan fics lately, and, being cautious and going through TV Tropes for my recommendations, I think I've found some real gems. Very good stuff. I found Morphic, a rather dark pokemon fic about half-breeds between pokemon and humans, to be excellent, and, while there is quite a bit of foul language, most of it is fairly deserved. But, as a warning, it touches on a few very sensitive topics, including religion, abortion, and death, but handles them quite realistically and maturely in my opinion.
I finished my 10K word story challenge, and was fairly pleased with the result. I got a 195 out of 200, which I'm very excited about. Now, I didn't finish the story, but I think I left it hanging on a rather nice cliffhanger. I started the story off with the mindset of a superhero story about a citizen of a city whose entire population has superpowers. But where my plot took me follows more of the style of an action thriller, but with the same superpower twist. I think it turned out rather well.
12/15/09
An Obituary
Today had a moment that will probably stand out in my memory for the rest of my life.
I haven't mentioned it here, but I grew up on legos, specifically, the Bionicle line. These things have been an obsession of mine since I was eight years old. In the last year or so, though, my interest has began to slacken when it comes to the current events of the series. When I logged into a community site dedicated to the series, BZPower, for the first time in a while, it came as a blow to the chest when the news page displayed articles referencing the end of the line.
My pulse quickening and my head fuzzy, I looked over the back articles to find a letter from the Lego Group to BZPower, detailing that they would be discontinuing the toy line after a release in January...
I gave ten years to these toys. No one who has not gone through a similar experience can't imagine the specific sense of loss that I've felt.
Goodbye, Bioncle, we had a good run.
2001-2010
RIP
I haven't mentioned it here, but I grew up on legos, specifically, the Bionicle line. These things have been an obsession of mine since I was eight years old. In the last year or so, though, my interest has began to slacken when it comes to the current events of the series. When I logged into a community site dedicated to the series, BZPower, for the first time in a while, it came as a blow to the chest when the news page displayed articles referencing the end of the line.
My pulse quickening and my head fuzzy, I looked over the back articles to find a letter from the Lego Group to BZPower, detailing that they would be discontinuing the toy line after a release in January...
I gave ten years to these toys. No one who has not gone through a similar experience can't imagine the specific sense of loss that I've felt.
Goodbye, Bioncle, we had a good run.
2001-2010
RIP
11/16/09
Wake Up Call
As I've said: sporadic posting.
It's been more than two weeks since my last post, which I admit is quite a bit. Not that you care...*glare*
My Xbox 360 has been racking up games pretty quick over the last couple weeks due to a sudden rush by my 15 year old brother to purchase as many games as he can before our parents make us not buy anything until Christmas after Thanksgiving. I've pitched in a few bucks here and there, but mainly my stand on this is to let him get as much as he wants for MY Xbox. So as he puts in lots of work, in the end, the fruits of this labor will become mine. Of course, by the time this deviously concocted plan plays out the 360 may become obsolete. Oh, well, I'm getting Modern Warfare out the deal, so the joke's on him.
South Pacific is over FINALLY. And we did fantastically, our very critical director was left speechless on several occasions and we managed to break his rating scale, scoring two 10.5s and 12 on closing night. Our school's theme for this year is "Leave A Legacy", which I think we've done pretty well.
I've been taking a Creative Writing class this semester, and our big project for the month of November is to write a short novel in class. This reminded me of the marathon writing project that my mother is currently involved in. Shortly after I thought this, our teacher pulled up the website in the previous link on his projector...WOW. He was already a pretty cool guy, but this scores him about 500 awesome points.
Now that the musical is over, Madrigal rehearsals are being scaled up quite a bit in order to prep for the craziness that is December for our choir. 6 am rehearsals three days a week, and intense feelings of nervousness have been highly prevalent. Especially since our very first performance is for an extremely prominent group of people...as in WORLD RENOWNED.
It's been more than two weeks since my last post, which I admit is quite a bit. Not that you care...*glare*
My Xbox 360 has been racking up games pretty quick over the last couple weeks due to a sudden rush by my 15 year old brother to purchase as many games as he can before our parents make us not buy anything until Christmas after Thanksgiving. I've pitched in a few bucks here and there, but mainly my stand on this is to let him get as much as he wants for MY Xbox. So as he puts in lots of work, in the end, the fruits of this labor will become mine. Of course, by the time this deviously concocted plan plays out the 360 may become obsolete. Oh, well, I'm getting Modern Warfare out the deal, so the joke's on him.
South Pacific is over FINALLY. And we did fantastically, our very critical director was left speechless on several occasions and we managed to break his rating scale, scoring two 10.5s and 12 on closing night. Our school's theme for this year is "Leave A Legacy", which I think we've done pretty well.
I've been taking a Creative Writing class this semester, and our big project for the month of November is to write a short novel in class. This reminded me of the marathon writing project that my mother is currently involved in. Shortly after I thought this, our teacher pulled up the website in the previous link on his projector...WOW. He was already a pretty cool guy, but this scores him about 500 awesome points.
Now that the musical is over, Madrigal rehearsals are being scaled up quite a bit in order to prep for the craziness that is December for our choir. 6 am rehearsals three days a week, and intense feelings of nervousness have been highly prevalent. Especially since our very first performance is for an extremely prominent group of people...as in WORLD RENOWNED.
10/26/09
NO WAY
Brief post, because I simply must spread word of how awesome Bioshock 2 looks!
Multiplayer? Check! New plot? Check! New equipment? Check! Dual wielding a giant drill and a flamethrower plasmid? ...I must buy this game!!!
Don't think so? WATCH THIS.
Back now? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Musical rehearsals are both heating up and slowing down. No more 6ams, but now we have long after school rehearsals EVERY DAY. And now we're mixing in Madrigal 6ams, oh, JOY. [/sarcasm]
Y'know what I've realized about the version of Beauty and the Beast I'm doing? It's so very 80s. I knew that's when it was written, but this is just NUTS. And the music is a bit schizophrenic when it comes to the genre, it can't really seem to decide what it wants to be. Is it a traditional musical, or is it a rock opera? IT DOESN'T KNOW!!!
Multiplayer? Check! New plot? Check! New equipment? Check! Dual wielding a giant drill and a flamethrower plasmid? ...I must buy this game!!!
Don't think so? WATCH THIS.
Back now? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Musical rehearsals are both heating up and slowing down. No more 6ams, but now we have long after school rehearsals EVERY DAY. And now we're mixing in Madrigal 6ams, oh, JOY. [/sarcasm]
Y'know what I've realized about the version of Beauty and the Beast I'm doing? It's so very 80s. I knew that's when it was written, but this is just NUTS. And the music is a bit schizophrenic when it comes to the genre, it can't really seem to decide what it wants to be. Is it a traditional musical, or is it a rock opera? IT DOESN'T KNOW!!!
10/20/09
HMS Frantic Boredom
Well, I missed the concert. Lame. But I'll survive. And now we move on to Christmas music! We have eight songs so far, just about every one is a recognizable song. But most are interesting arrangements, so that's a kind of a bonus.
We've finished off 6 am rehearsals for South Pacific, but now we move into early madrigal rehearsals. *sigh*
Electronic media don't seem as appealing as they used to. It's an interesting turn. I need something new to do. Blogging seems to help a bit, but not by much.
...DAH!
High School Musical. I am simply baffled as to how popular it is. I blame Disney's relentless marketing techniques. My sister is enamored with it, and the music is so dang catchy!
November is NaNoWriMo. National Novel Writing Month. The basic is objective is to write a 50,000 word novel over the course of one month... A month. That's almost 2000 words a day! I've attempted this mountain a couple of times and fallen flat on my face on both occasions. I simply don't have time for it! Will I try it again? I don't know.
We've finished off 6 am rehearsals for South Pacific, but now we move into early madrigal rehearsals. *sigh*
Electronic media don't seem as appealing as they used to. It's an interesting turn. I need something new to do. Blogging seems to help a bit, but not by much.
...DAH!
High School Musical. I am simply baffled as to how popular it is. I blame Disney's relentless marketing techniques. My sister is enamored with it, and the music is so dang catchy!
November is NaNoWriMo. National Novel Writing Month. The basic is objective is to write a 50,000 word novel over the course of one month... A month. That's almost 2000 words a day! I've attempted this mountain a couple of times and fallen flat on my face on both occasions. I simply don't have time for it! Will I try it again? I don't know.
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